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|  Subject: Re: Law and Order, DD Version  Sat Sep 08, 2007 1:11 am | |
| | Lord Golbez wrote: | | I don't think I'd accept Gregory's half baked ideas as a proof. |
Normally, I'd agree, but it's such an odd concept that:
1: Organ sale really must exist somewhere in the Deeganverse, even if the usual source is corpses (Callan is screwed up enough it wouldn't surprise me that one could donate organs for sale upon your death, if you wanted to free your family from your debts, but that really is pure speculation).
2: Gregory himself isn't the sort to come up with an outright illegal scheme.
Thus, I suspect that voluntary organ sales are legal. Not totally proven, but suggested--and potential for story mining, honestly.
Mathias: I suspect that if you did nothing about your debt, you'd be hauled in front of a judge, then told to fill out the forms; failure to do so would be tantamount to contempt. So we're both right, or something.
And I'm totally about the sticky.
That was even worse-sounding than I meant it to be.... |
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| | Subject: Re: Law and Order, DD Version Sat Sep 08, 2007 7:33 am | |
| | MathiasTolerain wrote: | | One person can be legally held responsible for the destruction of an entire town, even if he had tried to save it. This requires that he legally reimburse the kingdom for the loss of the town. People who fail to reimburse the kingdom can end up in debtor's prison.(Proof 1, Proof 2, Proof 3) |
I think you are mis-interpreting Proof 1. To me, it seems there was an investigation into the cause of the destruction of the town, and it found Gregory responsible because Serk Brakkis was pulling the strings of the investigation (perhaps the corrupted knights were in charge of it?). This would also explain why Pam thinks Gregory's guilt is an "outrage." I think a better statement of the law would be:
"When public property is willfully destroyed, an investigation by (blank) will be held to determine the responsible party or parties. That party must reimburse the kingdom for the property damage, or go to debtor's prison."
And of course, Royal Knights are probably exempt from that law.
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| | Subject: Re: Law and Order, DD Version Sat Sep 08, 2007 5:27 pm | |
| Lets see... I made a few additions, changed the format a little... What do you guys think now?
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| | Subject: Re: Law and Order, DD Version Sat Sep 08, 2007 7:57 pm | |
| I like the correction. It makes more sense now.
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| | Subject: Re: Law and Order, DD Version Sat Sep 08, 2007 8:19 pm | |
| Hm... One further edit: "arcane orc tribes", in a fantasy sense, tends to suggest "wielders of occult lore". While there are such orcish tribes, the one Stonewater and Grench were dealing with didn't seem any more or less so. I suspect you were using 'arcane' in the broader sense, in which case, I would break it down as follows:
"Many orc tribes are still very patriarchal. In particular, many tribes practice the custom of 'Test of Taking', in which one male can challenge another to claim the second's wife."
"At least one orc tribe requires that a wife 'prove' that she can perform her marital duty; this is confirmed by a physical examination following the consumation." |
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| | Subject: Re: Law and Order, DD Version Sat Sep 08, 2007 8:20 pm | |
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| | Subject: Re: Law and Order, DD Version Thu Sep 20, 2007 10:48 am | |
| | Has anyone thought of doing something like this for church we so often see? I mean we know they're monotheist (how often does Dom scream "Oh my God" as opposed to "Oh my gods!") but anything else besides that? |
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| | Subject: Re: Law and Order, DD Version Thu Sep 20, 2007 2:38 pm | |
| that could easily be an addition to this thread, right under cultural quirks called something like, "church law and dogma."
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| | Subject: Re: Law and Order, DD Version Thu Sep 20, 2007 3:57 pm | |
| | frigidmagi wrote: | | Has anyone thought of doing something like this for church we so often see? I mean we know they're monotheist (how often does Dom scream "Oh my God" as opposed to "Oh my gods!") but anything else besides that? |
It could also be that they are a polytheist order and that it's customary to take a patron God. Or 'Oh my God' sounds better then the plural. We haven't been shown much. It's possible to suggest that there are only priestess, as we haven't been shown a male equivalent. I actually realised that no one is ever shown going to church or anything either, so attendance might not be compulsory as a worshipper. |
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| | Subject: Re: Law and Order, DD Version Thu Sep 20, 2007 4:08 pm | |
| Well, considering somewhere during the "Dominic is a teacher now" arc, Blonde Student With Mole said the prophet-chick saw a vision of "God" instead of "Beh'nariel, patron goddess of prophets," it's pretty likely it's a monotheistic religion.
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| | Subject: Re: Law and Order, DD Version Thu Sep 20, 2007 10:32 pm | |
| We've had ample evidence that Mookie is working off the Judeo-Christian mythology for his religion. In popular culture, the dichotomy between heaven and hell in those religions has been seized upon for endless sources of conflict (see Spawn, Constantine, Diablo, etc.). Mookie has chosen this as well. We've already had the "war in hell," and had the demons of hell brought in as characters, which implies "angels" at least. Will there be a God as Jews, Christians, or Muslims understand Him/Her? Maybe not. But the characters are acting as if there was (pointed out above), and it is certainly implied by choosing to use the "hell" terminology.
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| | Subject: Re: Law and Order, DD Version Fri Sep 21, 2007 12:41 am | |
| What is strange though is that it is heavily implied that the lunian church is not the only one. I am truly curious to see how this is resolved. I mean, how can there be one over-arching system of jeacin and hell with different religions?
I suppose that it is possible that the elemecca can ferret people off to different places after death (which doesn't make sense because angelic and infernal are hsrdwired into the cosmology). But that still assumes some basic similarities nwtween all, I suppose "true" religions... Crap, there are a lot of unanswered questions here. I really hope he resolves it into one whole coherent system.
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| | Subject: Re: Law and Order, DD Version Fri Sep 21, 2007 12:51 am | |
| | MathiasTolerain wrote: | | What is strange though is that it is heavily implied that the lunian church is not the only one. I am truly curious to see how this is resolved. I mean, how can there be one over-arching system of jeacin and hell with different religions? |
Gotta hate those hand-transposition typos....
| Quote: | | I suppose that it is possible that the elemecca can ferret people off to different places after death (which doesn't make sense because angelic and infernal are hsrdwired into the cosmology). But that still assumes some basic similarities nwtween all, I suppose "true" religions... Crap, there are a lot of unanswered questions here. I really hope he resolves it into one whole coherent system. |
Heh. I wouldn't mind some more insight into the church and the religious cosmology of the Deeganverse, but honestly, I think that would require a good story arc of its own--probably one of those ones with lots of talky-talky, and we all KNOW how well those go down.
Maybe he should start doing a once-a-week text piece (say, on Saturdays), maybe displayed as if written on a scroll or in a book, that would explain some aspects of the world in a single blow, rather than trying to squeeze tidbits into the dialogue over the course of a week. |
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| | Subject: Re: Law and Order, DD Version Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:05 am | |
| Heh, yeah that post and this post were done on my iPhone.
I would argue that we DO know how a tally story-arc goes. It was called the battle for barthis, and in my opinion it was one of mookie's successes.
All that aside though, what do we know about the church (lunian), and heavin and hell?
People who are good at heart can go to heavin even if they do bad, misguided things in life...
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| | Subject: Re: Law and Order, DD Version Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:52 am | |
| | Quote: | | --Dueling, according to the traditional Callanian law, is legal as long as the proper paperwork is filed, and the contracts are signed in blood. |
Just noticed this... I don't think the blood part is required, just that the paperwork be filled out. I think the blood part was just Evil Szark being sadistic.
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