5/25 - I..zuh...wha?

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*Shrug* Tone doesn't carry well on teh innerwebs. Sorry if it seems aggressive--I'm just stating my case as best I can, which is something I expect others in the conversation to do as well.

As for the rest... You're making assumptions about Dex. He was already past the point of turn-around by the time we met him, even if you're correct about his past--note that he was already trying to minimize the harm done by his teammates (and, to answer your question, that's WHY he was hanging around them--because they were teammates).

Of course you're entitled to predictions; I just am also entitled to disagree with those predicitons, and point out where I think they are mistaken. :P Rillian, for instance, I don't ever see as 'changing his ways'. He does bad things for what he perceives to be the greater good, and I expect he'll continue to do so. He's the oldest character in the strip, and possibly the single most powerful; he's not likely to yield to a lecture, even from Dominic.

Jacob, OTOH, I do agree--he'll be turned around, as the culmination of the strip itself. To my mind, at that point, the story of Dominic would be finished (of course, I always felt that DBZ was silly nonsense, anyway).

We didn't disagree on S&B--I concur, they were a legit example of a redemption storyline (I also put Szark in that category, and expect Snowsong to follow there--see, we have points of agreement! ;D ). I just think there are fewer redemption story-arcs than you're stating.

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Subject: Re: 5/25 - I..zuh...wha? Fri May 25, 2007 5:01 pm

I was making assumptions about Dex, perhaps, based on the way people work. Yes, they were his teammates..but I wager he could find somewhere else to play. He didn't seem to like a single one of them, and logically it would stand that he WOULDN'T play with them unless there was a history. Theres lots of teams out there, lots of opportunity. If it was about hometown pride....that sure didn't last long, since he settled in Barthis. o.o

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Hm... Okay, I modify my previous list to change "Death" for "Resolution" (keeping with the 'R' theme, anyway). Any outcome that makes the character a one-shot who never comes back falls in this category. Death is simply more certain than other 'screw this, I'm going home' options (although yes, I would highly enjoy seeing that option, Lady M.)

On Dex: I think it's just as possible that the others became jerks as time went on, but Dex was reluctant to abandon old friends who were making bad decisions. Heck, look at how two of the other three turned out: "PUPPIES AND KITTIES!" I doubt Gregory can actually make evil people good--so more likely, they were good guys who fell into bad habits under the influence of the team's leader. Dex wasn't, originally, strong enough to fight that influence, so he just got gloomier and grumpier watching things go downhill.

Then he sees that it IS possible to stand up to them, and does so. His isn't so much a redemption arc, then, as a "Coming into his own" storyline that we just see the end of.

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Subject: Re: 5/25 - I..zuh...wha? Fri May 25, 2007 11:23 pm

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Maulkin: It mostly falls into the category of manipulating people and putting them at risk without letting them decide their involvement. The kind of thing where you hate what they're doing, partly 'cause you KNOW that even if they did ask, you would've done it any way--their way just saved time and explanations.

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Rilian led Helexia to Miranda's kids? And convinced Jacob to join the chosen?

...Wow, I need to reread the comics.

Oh, and you can't blame him for mock-blighting Dominic's arm; he thought Dominic was eavesdropping, and wanted him to go away. It wasn't nice, sure, but it wasn't evil; he was just trying to get Dominic to butt out of his affairs.
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Subject: Re: 5/25 - I..zuh...wha? Sat May 26, 2007 2:36 am

Subject: Re: 5/25 - I..zuh...wha? Sat May 26, 2007 2:52 am

Rilian didn't make Jacob go to the chosen. He said in the comic that he was responsible for it, yes. But, it was more a case of "These are the choices. Decide." I believe he was trying to recruit him for the good guys, but then it backfired, and Jacob went over to the chosen instead.
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Subject: Re: 5/25 - I..zuh...wha? Sat May 26, 2007 5:10 am

Yup. I'm pretty sure that's how it went. Jacob bitches about Rilian here:

Like you said, it's likley Rilian was trying to get Jacob onto his side, but it backfired, probably because of Jacob's personality. : P

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Ah. Well, Dominic never ever has plans that backfire =P

(PS: I was always wondering where Jacob's blighted hand went. Now I know.)
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Subject: Re: 5/25 - I..zuh...wha? Sat May 26, 2007 12:01 pm