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Luke Atmey
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|  Subject: Re: 5/25 - I..zuh...wha?  Fri May 25, 2007 11:02 am | |
| | Arancaytar wrote: | | Yeah, she's obviously crazy ("No soup special for you! DIE!"). But the barmaid seems to like her, even though bartenders are usually good judges of character. |
Waitress. Does this look like a bar to you? 
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| | Subject: Re: 5/25 - I..zuh...wha? Fri May 25, 2007 11:03 am | |
| I was kinda hoping for a serious female villian who could return someday, and not be charred into ashes like Helixa, or turned into a good guy like....do I need to list them all? :(
Last few storyarcs had punchlines. I need me some Vengenace to tide me over till Jacob , TIM and Celesto get here and start wrecking up the place! |
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| | Subject: Re: 5/25 - I..zuh...wha? Fri May 25, 2007 11:14 am | |
| | TdotOdot2k wrote: | | or turned into a good guy like....do I need to list them all? :( |
Yeah...yeah, I think you do. The only ones I can think of are Szark, Quilt, Bumper (although he was always the nicer of the two), and possibly Siggy, if you considered him a bad guy, or if you think he turned good. I honestly can't recall any other bad guys turning good. |
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| | Subject: Re: 5/25 - I..zuh...wha? Fri May 25, 2007 11:22 am | |
| Possibly Scarlatti and Luna's other sister?
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| | Subject: Re: 5/25 - I..zuh...wha? Fri May 25, 2007 11:26 am | |
| I always saw Scarlatti as more of a mercenary than a bad guy. As long as he gets the money, he doesn't care what side he's on.
And if I'm not mistaken, Luna's lawyer sister clearly stated that she still hated Luna. And since she hasn't shown back up yet, we have no idea what's going on in her head. But as of now, she's not actively working against the Deegans, so we'll count her as half of a good guy. :P |
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| | Subject: Re: 5/25 - I..zuh...wha? Fri May 25, 2007 11:27 am | |
| | Lord Golbez wrote: | | no matter what Mookie does somebody is going to complain about it. |
Replace this with any author/artist/poet, what have you.
You can never please all of the people all of the time. It just doesn't happen.
That said, I'm enjoying this current arc so far, but still have my reservations |
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| | Subject: Re: 5/25 - I..zuh...wha? Fri May 25, 2007 11:57 am | |
| | JavaJesus wrote: | | TdotOdot2k wrote: | | or turned into a good guy like....do I need to list them all? :( |
Yeah...yeah, I think you do. The only ones I can think of are Szark, Quilt, Bumper (although he was always the nicer of the two), and possibly Siggy, if you considered him a bad guy, or if you think he turned good. I honestly can't recall any other bad guys turning good. |
Szark (twisted mofo who was simply brainwashed)
Quilt (badass baraka-esque golem until puns and gas warmed his heart)
Bumper (He was more of a nuisance, but still an antagonist)
Stunt (re-read the end of the arc, he's mellowed out a lot)
That Fencer guy....Scarlatti? (antagonist until Szark whipped him)
Siggy - till he got gimped (major flip-flopper here)
Lunas Sister someone else mentioned (realized Serk was a dick)
That blitzball guy...DEX! (bad on names today...he's a Sheriff now...grouped with the baddies, then split from them)
That Knight from the War in Hell arc who helped Cassafin with the food trolley. (the one dominic gave that prediction to about festering in his own filth)
That's almost 1/3 the regular living cast, iirc. 9/30...i realize a lot of the baddies are dead. :P There is a LOT of 180 reversal on character outlook in this comic.
If I was to add more names to it (predictions..i want to put rilian up there because he was a tweener, and in the end went to bat for the good...but thats a longshot.)
Snowsong Girl (seems more of an idiot than a threat)
Celesto (I can't see how much more he has to be mad about)
Rilian (more of a tweener, but since he said he'd come to dominic for help again i wager eventually he'll become good..and if not..)
Jacob (Yeah. I said it. The dude is sick and twisted and somewhat evil, but more on the sick and twisted side. I can't see the family hating him forever. Blood is thicker than water, and dominic almost appears to be learned to accept him)
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| | Subject: Re: 5/25 - I..zuh...wha? Fri May 25, 2007 12:01 pm | |
| To be fair, Celesto didn't really have anything to be mad about before either.
I don't see him turning evil because I just really don't think that he can stand Dominic being happy. |
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| | Subject: Re: 5/25 - I..zuh...wha? Fri May 25, 2007 12:04 pm | |
| | PinkSpider43 wrote: | To be fair, Celesto didn't really have anything to be mad about before either.
I don't see him turning evil because I just really don't think that he can stand Dominic being happy. |
....he had plenty to be mad about before. D:
Celesto is one of the more human characters in this comic. He loved a girl to death, and when she was taken away from the world without any sort of justice to her killer, it filled his heart with hate. Then he learned Amelia was a liar, a thief, and a cheat, and that crushed his strong spirit even more than it already was. There was only one outlet for him to take an injured heart full of rage out on: Dominic Deegan, the snarky asshole who always has to be right, and gets whatever he wants.
Not to mention that Chaos crap twisting his logic a little. :D
With the Storm of Souls gone...I figure he'll go all Buddist on us. |
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| | Subject: Re: 5/25 - I..zuh...wha? Fri May 25, 2007 1:23 pm | |
| In my opinion, Reinholdt was more just a racist asshole than a bad guy, but it does appear as if he's joined the good guys, so I'll concede that one.
Dex was always a good guy. He wasn't necessarily a good guy alongside the others, but he was always good, if a bit...I guess apathetic when it came to his teammates.
Stunt has certainly mellowed, but I get the feeling that he'd still be perfectly willing to stab Dominic in the face. But then again, Bumper is friends with the good guys, and Stunt would probably work with them if Bumper asked, so I guess I'll accept partial good guy credit for Stunt.
My thoughts on Scarlatti and Luna's sister are up above.
Celesto looked pretty angry when Dominic saw him before Christmas, so I would imagine he has at least one more bad guy arc, if not more.
Rilian was always a good guy, although it wasn't always obvious.
Jacob...I'm gonna wait before I decide with him.
So yeah, there have been a fair number of antagonists who have turned good(ish), but I wouldn't say it's enough to be ridiculous. |
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| | Subject: Re: 5/25 - I..zuh...wha? Fri May 25, 2007 3:46 pm | |
| Rilian: Good. Wierd, and pursues a dangerous magic, but good.
Jacob: Bad. Rilian doesn't capture people to use in necro experiments. The ends don't justify the means, especially when the means have definite negative results and the ends only have possible good results.
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| | Subject: Re: 5/25 - I..zuh...wha? Fri May 25, 2007 3:48 pm | |
| | TdotOdot2k wrote: |
Szark (twisted mofo who was simply brainwashed)
Quilt (badass baraka-esque golem until puns and gas warmed his heart)
Bumper (He was more of a nuisance, but still an antagonist)
Stunt (re-read the end of the arc, he's mellowed out a lot)
That Fencer guy....Scarlatti? (antagonist until Szark whipped him)
Siggy - till he got gimped (major flip-flopper here)
Lunas Sister someone else mentioned (realized Serk was a dick)
That blitzball guy...DEX! (bad on names today...he's a Sheriff now...grouped with the baddies, then split from them)
That Knight from the War in Hell arc who helped Cassafin with the food trolley. (the one dominic gave that prediction to about festering in his own filth)
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Um... Okay, so Siggy failed to achieve redemption, yet you include him in the list for trying. Scarlatti would probably still accept a commission to duel Donovan again--he just would want an employer who wouldn't backstab him. Dex never was a villain; he was a hanger-on who needed a moment of truth. Reinfeld was a jerk, not a villain; he was given a good hard slap, and it seems to have worked. Luna's sister was also never a real villain, so much as someone who dares to dislike the main character's gf.
The real list of 'redeemed' villains is shorter: Szark (about whom I think we actually agree--he's gotten off way too lightly, in terms of atonement); Quilt (who I tend to think was more akin to Dex, anyway--a character MADE to be reformed); and Stunt & Bumper (I count them as one--it would be pretty hard to imagine a situation where they actually turned on one another without coercion or outside influences).
Really, you've got three options with villains:
Repentence/redemption
Recurring
Killed
Any villain who doesn't fall into the first or last category will fall into the middle; any of these will be considered annoying by some segment of a large fanbase (some folks will be upset about too many redemption storylines; others will gripe about characters who always seem to come back; still others will complain about how often villains die and get replaced by new villains. It's a no-win situation, honestly.
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Snowsong Girl (seems more of an idiot than a threat)
Celesto (I can't see how much more he has to be mad about)
Rilian (more of a tweener, but since he said he'd come to dominic for help again i wager eventually he'll become good..and if not..)
Jacob (Yeah. I said it. The dude is sick and twisted and somewhat evil, but more on the sick and twisted side. I can't see the family hating him forever. Blood is thicker than water, and dominic almost appears to be learned to accept him) |
Redeeming Jacob may very well be the overall arc of the series, frankly--I think a true reconcilliation between the three brothers would pretty much end it. Who could stand against them, united? Well, other than Miranda, of course: "Boys, I'm very proud of you for saving the world again. However, you tracked mud on the rug. I'm sending you all to bed without supper."
Rillian never was a villain, and he's not likely to ever give up necromancy. Far more likely is that Dominic will come to accept his methods and magic, than Rillian will 'change' for the good.
Celesto has spent time in a tiny infinity of madness with TIM for company--a fact which he no doubt blames on Dominic & Co. I think he may still have some issues.
Snowsong is probably going to be a redemption candidate, yes. I'm still betting she ends up falling for Nimmel at some point.
I just think you're reaching to make more redemptions than there really have been in order to make your case. |
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| | Subject: Re: 5/25 - I..zuh...wha? Fri May 25, 2007 4:40 pm | |
| That last batch were -PREDICTIONS-. I'm allowed to have opinions, aren't I? >_>
I include Siggy in the list cause he was an antagonist at first, then was -essentially- a good guy...then got screwed over hard by Karnak. Not really his fault, and maybe someday he'll be free again.
I mentioned Rilian as a tweener because he wasn't always doing good things. He sent Helixa after Dominics family, and as you said with Jacob, the ends don't justify the means. Furthermore, he sent Jacob to the Chosen to side against Dominic and Co. Rilian, I'm fairly sure, isn't a good guy, but a tweener who will eventually become a full blown good guy. Hopefully not as hard as that Demon fellow in the Majin Buu DBZ saga that assisted the little green wizard. *tries to imagine Rilian annoying Dom & Co by being -too- uppity*
As far as the three being united, who could stand to them? Lots of people. Typically the brothers aren't together. Even if there were, I'm wagering much like DBZ, there is ALWAYS something more powerful than them. The question is; are they SMARTER? The story has slowly been pushing for Jacob to eventually be redeemed, as he's more sick in the head than evil. He doesn't think he's doing evil...he thinks his actions are justified for his grotesque research. The man is mentally ill, not evil. :P
Reinfeld was an asshole who turned good, so I threw him on the list for a 180 attitude adjustment about face. Dex is in the same boat. He travelled with a rough crowd, and more than likely partook in some of their shenanigans before casting them off entirely. Why would he travel/play with people he resented so very much? The answer? He wouldn't. Not unless there was history there.
Celesto seems pissed at Dom still, and I never said he wouldn't continue being a dick for a bit, but he still has very little reason to do so, and as far as Mookies intelligent characters go, he tends to require a purpose. Even TIM had a purpose. Celesto has nothing to drive him anymore, he'll either die an asshole, or turn around. As the Storm of Souls arc noted, before they fought, they don't really seem to want to fight each other...circumstance just made it necessary.
Snowsong girl...this ones a given.
Stunt & Bumper have pretty much reformed. Bumper is atoning for his misdeeds, and Stunt is doing the same. Could I see them coming back for another crazy adventure? Sure. The hatred behind their nuisances is pretty much bled dry, though. The most I could see Stunt doing to Dominic now is telling him to kiss off.
As far as I can tell, I'm not really reaching. I do note you're a little too aggressive in your posts, however. Remember, this is a webcomic discussion forum. Lighten up the tone a bit, eh? :P |
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| | Subject: Re: 5/25 - I..zuh...wha? Fri May 25, 2007 4:43 pm | |
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And a fourth villain option - neither killed nor redeemed, but a one-shot. A character with the reaction "Why the hell am I bothering?" 
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| | Subject: Re: 5/25 - I..zuh...wha? Fri May 25, 2007 4:53 pm | |
| oh...did I forget that part? D:
Yeah, theres other options for villians. Like just going away and not coming back, like Lady said. Gawd, forgot that. So dumb. T_T |
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