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PostSubject: A little help...?   Sun 3 Jun - 19:17

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PostSubject: Re: A little help...?   Sun 3 Jun - 19:22

Oooh! Thankyous for making sticky thread. : )

Edit: Ah, okay. One of my current problems.

If currently working on a Massive Fantasy Project of Doom (MFPoD) and I've run into a bit of a problem. When I actually remember to even mention my characters eating (which isn't often. I just noticed that the poor things hadn't eaten for three days) I have no idea what to feed them in a fantasy setting. Now if you're on a reasonably long journey and not getting food along the way, what do you eat? Meat would go off, as would most veggies, and they can't eat moldy bread the whole way. Any suggestions?
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PostSubject: Re: A little help...?   Sun 3 Jun - 19:56

1) You don't really have to spell out day to day activities when you're writing. People will simply assume the character's eat. The only time you need to worry about it is if their lack of eating might be considered a plot hole. (Example: They've been away from civilization for 8 or 9 weeks. You need to assume they're running low on food and deal with it.)

2) In a fantasy setting, they might have magic bread that doesn't rot. =D

3) Potatoes are excellent. Also, things like beef jerky pretty much never go bad ever. Water is pretty abundant, but it does actually go bad, so they can't carry around an endless supply.
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PostSubject: Re: A little help...?   Sun 3 Jun - 20:02

Hmmm. Thankies. My particular problem is because I was going into a lot of detail mapping out what they were doing, so you could actually see what I'd missed. I like the potato and beef jerky idea. Combined with that and the longlasting bread, that could make sandwiches until the end of the story. : P
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PostSubject: Re: A little help...?   Sun 3 Jun - 21:35

Verily!

When writing fantasy there's a rule that I don't like to follow, because I hate the guy's writing, but it works. When in doubt, steal from Tolkien. He probably came up with a solution. (Lambas bread.)
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PostSubject: Re: A little help...?   Mon 4 Jun - 1:29

Pssh, everyone steals from Tolkien. It's what the cool people do.
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PostSubject: Re: A little help...?   Mon 4 Jun - 1:47

Tolkien didn't know how to write. He made up a lot of good stuff, sure. But insofar as stringing together a coherent and interesting story? He sucked.

Just because a book is a "classic" doesn't mean it gets to be boring and still be taken seriously.

(That said, "The Hobbit" is class.)
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PostSubject: Re: A little help...?   Mon 4 Jun - 1:56

linkskywalker wrote:
Just because a book is a "classic" doesn't mean it gets to be boring and still be taken seriously.

Could one speak of the Bible in such a fashion?
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PostSubject: Re: A little help...?   Mon 4 Jun - 3:40

Are you kidding? The bible is a fantastic collection of mythology. Most cultures all we've got is a few tales handed down via oral tradition. Even the greeks weren't the best record keepers in that reguard. But the Jews? We've got everything in there. If "Moses" "stubbed" his "toe" we know about it. That, my friend, is the brilliance of the Jewish people. They're truly a great people, especially when it comes to preserving records.
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PostSubject: Re: A little help...?   Mon 4 Jun - 5:42

linkskywalker wrote:
Tolkien didn't know how to write. He made up a lot of good stuff, sure. But insofar as stringing together a coherent and interesting story? He sucked.

Just because a book is a "classic" doesn't mean it gets to be boring and still be taken seriously.

(That said, "The Hobbit" is class.)


That's my view, too. I still read Lord of the Rings every so often because I like the story. But when it comes to reading for fun, The Hobbit is one of the greatest books ever.

And as for the eating thing, you can show them eating without focusing on the food. For example, there are plenty of scenes in Firefly where the crew is around the table eating and the point of the scene is never, "Check it out, these guys eat three times a day." Just use eating as a backdrop for some conversations.

Also, jerky. It huge among survival enthusiasts because it's salted, so it keeps for a long time, and it has a lot of protein, so it's pretty good at filling you up.
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PostSubject: Re: A little help...?   Mon 4 Jun - 6:40

linkskywalker wrote:
Are you kidding? The bible is a fantastic collection of mythology. Most cultures all we've got is a few tales handed down via oral tradition. Even the greeks weren't the best record keepers in that reguard. But the Jews? We've got everything in there. If "Moses" "stubbed" his "toe" we know about it. That, my friend, is the brilliance of the Jewish people. They're truly a great people, especially when it comes to preserving records.

I don't doubt the intellectual glory of nearly fourthousand years accounted into one large collection, but you have to admit, reading it isn't the most enjoyable activity.
If it is for you, my apolgies, but it just bores me to tears.

On the other subject at hand, I can barely stand any Tolkein, but I have, and read, both The Hobbit in its fully written form and the beautifully crafted Graphic Novel variant. Both are incredible. If you're starting to read the Hobbit, I recomend reading the graphic novel first, since it gives an extremy good image of all the happneings, but still has a good amount of text. Afterwards, I found the Hobbit novel much more pleasurable a read over reading it the first time without the image aid.
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PostSubject: Re: A little help...?   Mon 4 Jun - 7:14

Swifto wrote:

I don't doubt the intellectual glory of nearly four thousand years accounted into one large collection, but you have to admit, reading it isn't the most enjoyable activity.
If it is for you, my apologies, but it just bores me to tears.


Speaking as a Christian who's read the Bible over a few times, reading through without knowing where to look is a hella boring experience. I sympathize.

If you're looking just to read the stories: Genesis, first half of Exodus, Judges, I & II Kings, Esther, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and Acts.

If the like the more poetic stuff: Psalms, Proverbs, and Revelation. Possibly Job, and maybe the Epistles (Basically, everything between Acts and Revelation).

And no offense, Jesus, your miracles were pretty tight and all, but Revelation is the most awesome book in the Bible.
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PostSubject: Re: A little help...?   Mon 4 Jun - 7:25

After quoting some portions of the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy to my father, he remarked that the style of writing found in it was similar to Psalms. [I think it was Psalms.. I know it started with a P, I know that much..] I haven't been able to confirm nor deny this, since when I'm in a mood to read, the Bible isn't too high on my list.

That, and being from a Mormon family, I have more scriptures to read, the Bible, The Book of Mormon, The Pearl of Great Price and Doctrine and Covenants. Not being a religious man myself, but looking like one to maintain a low rent living space, have little desire to read any of the afore mentioned works.

Childhood's End by Arthur C. Clarke is more a bible to me than anything, followed by The Space Odyssey series. Not sure why, but the realm of astrophysics is of great interest to me, as is human psychology. The Odyssey series gives me the all the space exploration I want, and Childhood's End gives me the human psychology of reaction and deduction that I like.
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PostSubject: Re: A little help...?   Mon 4 Jun - 12:00

Maccabes FTW.

The Odyssey was fantastic. As was the illiad. God it's been years since I've read that stuff.

(And yeah, the bible is pretty dry, but only because it's more of a historical document than a story. "This happened, then this happened" rahter that "excitement! Transition! Dialogue!"
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PostSubject: Re: A little help...?   Mon 4 Jun - 12:49

A failure as a Christian, the only part of the Bible I read for enjoyment was Revelation. But I guess that's a side effect of Catholic schooling.
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