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Ark
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|  Subject: Re: World of Warcrack  Thu May 08, 2008 5:40 pm | |
| Yes he did.
He said he made his dwarven heroes like the jews, because he respected them, and that he was not doing it to be ugly, but he respected their ethics and their capacity to create beautiful things.
Big noses, beards, hoard money, and make beautiful things. Sounds jewish to me. It is you who actually finds fault in such comparisons. Racist.
| Quote: | The representation of Dwarves as evil changed dramatically with The Hobbit.
Here the Dwarves became occasionally comedic and bumbling, but largely
seen as honourable, serious-minded, but still portraying some negative
characteristics such as being gold-hungry, overly proud and
occasionally officious. Tolkien's main influence is his own selective
reading of medieval texts regarding the Jewish people along with their own history.[4][5] The dwarves' characteristics of being bearded, dispossessed of their homeland (the ancestral home, The Lonely Mountain
is the goal the exiled Dwarves seek to reclaim), and living among other
groups whilst retaining their own culture and having a propensity for
making well-crafted and beautiful things, are all derived from the
medieval image of Jews, whilst their warlike nature stem from accounts
in the Hebrew Bible. For The Hobbit whilst almost all dwarf-names are taken from the Dvergatal or "Catalogue of the Dwarves", found in the Poetic Edda.[6][7] the names Ori
and Dori are also Hebrew. However, more than just supplying names, the
"Catalogue of the Dwarves" appears to have inspired Tolkien to supply
meaning and context to the list of names — that they travelled
together, and this in turn became the quest told of in The Hobbit.[8] The Dwarves written language is represented on maps and in illustrations by Anglo-saxon Runes. The Dwarven calendar invented for The Hobbit reflects the Jewish calendar in beginning in late autumn. |
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Daestrum
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| | Subject: Re: World of Warcrack Thu May 08, 2008 5:42 pm | |
| | Reitrenner wrote: | Tolkien modeled his Dwarves after the Jewish people, was he a racist? No. Shut up.
Secondly, Goblins helped ALL of the factions in the third War, even the scourge.
Thirdly Warcraft in an of itself is incredibly racist. With blatant stereotypes and such. You have to be a hypocryte to point out my "racism" when it was not me who made the comparisons. It was blizzard. |
It's not racism. Warcraft uses stereotypes of real races to make fantasy ones. It's completely different, you on the other hand, outright insulted the Jewish people.
And, at any rate, Tolkien didn't model the Dwarves off the Jewish people, except maybe in the facial features. The Norse Mythological Dwarves were the basis for his creations, and they changed very little from that form.
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| | Subject: Re: World of Warcrack Thu May 08, 2008 5:43 pm | |
| Even though I just provided an articles that said otherwise... with references?
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Ark
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| | Subject: Re: World of Warcrack Thu May 08, 2008 5:44 pm | |
| | Reitrenner wrote: | Yes he did.
He said he made his dwarven heroes like the jews, because he respected them, and that he was not doing it to be ugly, but he respected their ethics and their capacity to create beautiful things.
Big noses, beards, hoard money, and make beautiful things. Sounds jewish to me. It is you who actually finds fault in such comparisons. Racist. |
Oh shove your double standards up your ass Reit. How you say Tolkien said it and how you said it were two differnt ways. But I am not getting into an argument with you. Back on topic!
So yeah I've made an undead warrior. i like playing Warrior and Undead just seem so cool as a Warrior.
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| | Subject: Re: World of Warcrack Thu May 08, 2008 5:46 pm | |
| | Reitrenner wrote: | | Even though I just provided an articles that said otherwise... with references? |
*sigh*
Do I have to go look up the characteristics of Norse Dwarves and link it here, or are you just going to listen to the guy that is completely obsessed with them? The ORIGINAL Dwarves, the ones from Norse mythology, were strong, money grubbing, mead drinking, metal working, warriors. In all artwork depicting them, they had large noses and long beards.
You going to tell me Tolkien didn't use that as a basis?
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Daestrum
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| | Subject: Re: World of Warcrack Thu May 08, 2008 5:54 pm | |
| | Ark wrote: | Even I know Tolkien based much of his work off norse mythology.
Anyways, stay on topic, and don't feed the internet troll, feed the other Trolls howevermon |
I'll feed you an arrow!
*readies bow*
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| | Subject: Re: World of Warcrack Thu May 08, 2008 6:02 pm | |
| | Ark wrote: | | Heh you are a higher level and have a stronger pet, but my awesome is so high your arrows cannot kill me. |
You forget, I have sheer and utter manliness that will always prevail over simple awesomeness!
At any rate, I wouldn't kill you, I like the Horde. I hate the Alliance, why can't I hang out with you guys?
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| | Subject: Re: World of Warcrack Thu May 08, 2008 6:14 pm | |
| | Thalros wrote: | | Ark wrote: | | Heh you are a higher level and have a stronger pet, but my awesome is so high your arrows cannot kill me. |
You forget, I have sheer and utter manliness that will always prevail over simple awesomeness!
At any rate, I wouldn't kill you, I like the Horde. I hate the Alliance, why can't I hang out with you guys?
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You could have Thalros on the alliace, then make a bunch of horde characters..nothing stoping you from doing it.
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| | Subject: Re: World of Warcrack Thu May 08, 2008 6:33 pm | |
| | Ark wrote: | | Thalros wrote: | | Ark wrote: | | Heh you are a higher level and have a stronger pet, but my awesome is so high your arrows cannot kill me. |
You forget, I have sheer and utter manliness that will always prevail over simple awesomeness!
At any rate, I wouldn't kill you, I like the Horde. I hate the Alliance, why can't I hang out with you guys?
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You could have Thalros on the alliace, then make a bunch of horde characters..nothing stoping you from doing it. |
I could, but I already have very little time to play him. I may make an Undead Lock on Horde, though, after I get my epic flyer.
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| | Subject: Re: World of Warcrack Thu May 08, 2008 6:46 pm | |
| Who else plans on rolling a Death Knight with WRATH? I'm going to make a Dwarf DK. Already got the name reserved.
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| | Subject: Re: World of Warcrack Thu May 08, 2008 7:50 pm | |
| Heh. I think you have to have a pre-exsisting character, like it will be a quest line to become one like how paladins and locks go through questlines for their horses. I think it will only be open to Warrior and Pally classes myself so I expect to see a buff in Human and Blood elf players if this is the case.
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