Examples of Police Brutality.

Subject: Re: Examples of Police Brutality. Wed Feb 13, 2008 1:03 am

It's more a discussion right now. A discussion or calm debate is okay I think... it's when they get offensive that they should be locked.
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Subject: Re: Examples of Police Brutality. Wed Feb 13, 2008 1:04 am

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Eh, I guess. I'd still have been annoyed if a topic reoccured after wiping one on the same subject.

Well, whatever.

Subject: :D Wed Feb 13, 2008 2:12 am

I still don't know what you two are talking about. This thread is about Reit and his anarchistic dumpster escapades.

It's actually rocking pretty hard.

Pleasure Specialist Joined : 19 Nov 2007 Posts : 1312

You can find great stuff in dumpsters. I found all kinds of clothes, books, and all that fun stuff, perfectly new, in its wrappers. A testament to how wasteful our society is. If course I was going to take that stuff, it was going to end up in a landfill.

Nothing is more satisfying than giving this stuff to the poor. It is the ultimate slap in the face to the corporations who rape our earth.

Stores will throw out perfectly good canned goods, if the can is dented, or the can's wrapper is torn, the can MUST be thrown out to keep up appearances. What a waste!

Alas Grimzag, what if our government decided if rape was Awesome

. Our jails are not big enough to contain the treason.

Lets also consider the idea that the collective is often times looking out for itself. It wouldn't impose such a ridiculous criteria on it's people. And the True dissenters would either fight back real good and leave. An anarchistic community, is about trust. Honesty has prevailed in every squat I have stayed in. I won't let your jaded view point ruin what I have seen.
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Subject: Re: Examples of Police Brutality. Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:12 am

Reit, you have every right to do as you wish, just relaise that most people enjoy the lives they have know, they are happy with the way things are. And from what i can see you have a bit of the caes of "not able to see the forest through the trees." While the general ideas in our society are not in the best intentions, the people who live in said society are generally good people. Would you really support a group willing to take away everything the good people in our society have come to live for? While some stores do that with cans, I worked at a supermarket for a summer and any slight damaged or non-presentable food items were donated to carity right away.

While some aspects of society are bad, most are good. Focus on the bad long enough and eventaully that is all you will see. I'm not saying your wrong, but your not 100% right either. I've come to realise people will be people, life sucks for the most part, but i have come to accept all this because you have to take the good with the bad and live with it. life is not perfect, and never will be, just need to live life, enjoy it and try not to look to long at the bad.

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Yeah, well. We have enough people "taking good with the bad." And it turned this nation into debtors and wage slaves.

Have fun with that. I wait for May.
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Subject: Re: Examples of Police Brutality. Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:24 am

As do I. We just see things differntly, you see what you think is the worst society has to offer. The world is what you make of it my friend, I only hope you enjoy yourself doing whatever it is you do.

And to make a side note, most people do not care they are wage slaves, for they know work is part of life. It is part of our society and people have gotten used to it.

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I love work. I will not base my survival on minimum wage.
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Subject: Re: Examples of Police Brutality. Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:37 pm

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Anarchy is not communism, the collective is about as concrete as putty, you can't overthrow an entire society that has NO CORE.

There is nothing to subvert, there is nothing to conquer. You of course, and predictably, are convinced that without police, and without a ruling body, that some wackjob will usurp everything. If there is no money, there is nothing to steal. If there is no government, there is nothing to overthrow. Those who decide that "OMG government is rad!" Will most likely get ignored in a totally HAPPY anarchistic society.

If the system "works" then why are a vast majority of people criminally unhappy. Suicide rates are insane, prisons are overflowing with non-violent "criminals" and our children are about as smart as mashed potatoes.

If that is order, I willingly embrace the "chaos" of anarchy. You have got to be joking. Even if it doesn't work, we can't be much better off than we are now!, We ESPECIALLY won't be any better with a one world government. And don't think for a second there aren't people trying for one. It is half the reason there are so many anarchists today, cocktailing cop cars. So how stable is your grand vision of Law and Order with that reality made abundantly clear?

All in all, I hope for a world where anarchists and capitalists can live side by side, you capitalists will keep wasting stuff, and we will build reality out of the spoils. Just stop raping the planet for profit okay?

If you are concerned about my tone, it is because I made this thread to explain, and you keep bringing up the same points over and over. If you would have read everything, and watched everything, you would understand. I am not here to argue with you. This thread is an explanation, I am tired of explaining the same stuff. Please ask a new question.

Spanish. Civil. War.
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Subject: Re: Examples of Police Brutality. Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:46 pm

I'm debating because it allows me to attempt to understand and clarify your position, and I hope that you are open minded to consider my position in a similar way.

Oh, and in case you recall, the Spanish Civil war was won by the fascits because of their superior organization and nazi support ^^

Look, I'm going to make my final point, and then I will stop discussing this, because it obviously isn't going anywhere.

I'm not some foolish sheep who is blindly following the system. I support the presence of government because government is a necessary and unavoidable element of the human condition, and it would be better to spend time trying to improve government rather than wasting time trying to do away with it.

I have listened to your position, and find that it is weak. In order for this anarchist society to succeede, all of the people in it must be as anarchistic as you. If not, then even if the anarchists are in the majority, they must forcibliy impose anarchy upon the other members of the society, otherwise the other members of the society will form a government. Furthermore, you already say that them members of the society would come up with rules. If these rules are at all enforced, then those rules consistute a code of law and thus those who enforce it a government.

And you are right that you cannot conquer people who refuse to allow themselves to be conquered, but most human beings will choose to live under bad conditions rather than die. You may not, but others may. A look at the dark ages, a time of near anarchy, shows this.

Not to mention, that if you were to die defending anarchy, the anarchy would cease once the victors took charge of those who surrendered.

Niche said from chaos comes order. Human beings are naturally inclined to create governments, whether they be family structures, or nation-states, or even a mob of brigands. People will turn up who havbe great ability, and for protection, advice, or because of their charisma other people will do what these people ask, and then that person constitutes a leader. If a group of individual farmers live apart in isolation, a much smaller group of armed men could control them via extortion, or more likely by offering protection in exchange for goods and services. If any economic exchange occurs, if anybody needs the be protected from other people, or if anybody simply decides to listen to the words of somebody else, there is now a government and "order," and even though this order may cause great evil at times, it is impossible for it to be stopped short of shooting the people who choose to persue it, and as soon as you start shooting people to enforce your system you are no longer an anarchist because you have just formed a government.

There are many evils in this world, but anarchy is not going to cure them. No one system can cure all of them, and if one system can, it will only do so by creating others.

And that is all I have to say.
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Subject: Re: Examples of Police Brutality. Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:02 pm

... >_<

Guys, if you want to really debate about this, please continue in PMs.

This has gone way too far anyway.

I'm going to lock the thread now.
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Thanks r1nn.
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